Saturday, May 11, 2013

Romanian Immigration & Crime

Romanians and Bulgarians will soon be allowed to travel freely throughout the EU, including to the UK. A few years ago most of the rest of Eastern Europe was allowed to join the EU resulting in large scale immigration to the UK, especially from Poland.

A few years ago I worked out the incarceration rates by nationality in the UK, these are the figures for the number of people in prison in England per 100000 people, for various nationalities of Eastern Europe:

  1. Romania- 829
  2. Lithuania- 366
  3. Czech- 185
  4. Hungary- 183
  5. Poland- 113
  6. Bulgaria- 64
  7. Slovakia- 48
Whether it is good or bad, Romanian immigration will be very different from that which we have already experienced.

Update: There is an interesting observation in the comments from Stelucia (who I assume is Romanian):

Romanians have already the right to travel freely without a visa in all EU countries. What they don't have yet are full workings rights within EU, which is something completely different.
This policy of restricting workings rights produced a negative selection: honest, hard working people remained in Romania.
If you imagined a country where they selected British emigrants in such a way as to mostly get criminals you'd end up with a situation where the emigrants were not typical of Britain as a whole. Come to think of it, I think that I have just described Australia.

7 comments:

stelucia said...

Romanians have already the right to travel freely without a visa in all EU countries. What they don't have yet are full workings rights within EU, which is something completely different.
This policy of restricting workings rights produced a negative selection: honest, hard working people remained in Romania, while criminals

stelucia said...

Romanians have already the right to travel freely without a visa in all EU countries. What they don't have yet are full workings rights within EU, which is something completely different.
This policy of restricting workings rights produced a negative selection: honest, hard working people remained in Romania, while criminals left the country, as for them the lack of working rights is irrelevant.
UK expected an invasion of Romanians in 2007 when visa was abolished but this invasion never materialised. There will be no massive migration either in 2014 as Romanians will be able to work in Germany and France, countries with are more attractive to Romanians than UK.

Ross said...

"This policy of restricting workings rights produced a negative selection: honest, hard working people remained in Romania, while criminals"

That does make sense, I suppose if a wealthier country than the UK allowed British nationals in, but without working rights you'd be more likely to get groups such as travellers moving over who would therefore have higher crime rates.

And I agree that there won't be as many Romanians and Bulgarians coming over as there were Poles & Czechs- because then it was only the UK and Ireland which allowed free movement.

Anonymous said...

These figures do not distinguish between foreign nationals who are still legally foreign and foreign nationals who have recently been granted citizenship.

I bet that would add a few to their number plus I wonder what the Ethnic break-down is. I would say at least 35% of 'British' criminals are BMEs.

stelucia said...

Even with a policy that promotes negative selection, the criminality of Romanians is lower that the figures shown in the posting.
The number of convicted Romanians convicted was very low, between 400and 600 a year according to justice.gov.uk. So the real figures for 2012 are: 600 convicted and imprisoned from a population of 120000 (Number of NI given to Romanians so far). The real criminality is 600 convicted per 120 000 Romanians, i.e. is 0.5%or 500 per 10000.

stelucia said...

Even with a policy that promotes negative selection, the criminality of Romanians is lower that the figures shown in the posting.
The number of convicted Romanians convicted was very low, between 400and 600 a year according to justice.gov.uk. So the real figures for 2012 are: 600 convicted and imprisoned from a population of 120000 (Number of NI given to Romanians so far). The real criminality is 600 convicted per 120 000 Romanians, i.e. is 0.5%or 500 per 10000.

James Higham said...

Hard to see the Romanians bumped off the top of the table.